Believe it or not... 86/BRZ coming with more power.

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 01/14/2020 at 17:15 • Filed to: None

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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/next-gen-toyota-gt86subaru-brz-way-more-power

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:22

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That site’s render is probably the droopiest, most disappointing render of a BRZ86 that I have ever seen.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:22

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What happened to “heavier engine ruins the balance”????

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > winterlegacy, here 'till the end 01/14/2020 at 17:23

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Could be worse...

https://www.motor1.com/news/392476/toyota-gr86-replace-gt86/

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 01/14/2020 at 17:23

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Maybe they’d prefer sales to being “right”.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > winterlegacy, here 'till the end 01/14/2020 at 17:25

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Has a kinda of Aston vibe 

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:25

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Most sources I have read have said it is getting an NA version of the 2.4. This further confirms to me that it is getting a 2.4 but I still doubt it s getting the turbo.

WRXforScience > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:26

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The plan has been to use a NA version of the 2.4, which is very similar to the 2.0 currently in the car but should provide an extra 20-40hp and more importantly 30-40lb-ft of torque.

I do not believe that they’ll have a turbo option. If they do, I’ll buy one (hell, I’m planning on buying the NA version a couple of years after launch).

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:28

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The back’s alright and would actually work well on a futuristic MR2 . The front? No. Kill it with fire.

gettingoldercarguy > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:29

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I’ve heard na 2.4 is coming

412GTI > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:30

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I do hope it gets a more powerful or at least characterful engine. Something like in the ND2 Miata that is actually a joy to wind out if it’s not forced induction.

My previous Si had similar low power but it was at least fun to push the motor hard which I haven’t found to be the case in the BRZ/86.

B_dol > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:30

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W atching to see how the second gen pans out. I put 55K miles on an FR-S I bought the first week of USA sales in 2012, might be up for another. Experiences in a S2000, Miata (ownership) and Elise since then certainly raises the stakes.

PS9 > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 01/14/2020 at 17:30

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I mean... you could get 55 more HP out of the  engine they have now without more weight. 

Tekamul > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:31

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I would be pretty surprised if this article was right. First, the TNGA has been a snoozer of a FWD platform so far, second that render is pretty ugly.

The added power would be welcome, but not if it melts into a mediocre compact chassis with an anime face.

Chariotoflove > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:33

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I wonder if this is too little too late for the model.  Is the market at large (the people who would want more power) still paying attention?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Chariotoflove 01/14/2020 at 17:34

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Could convince the ones that have wanted one but have held off because it’s down on power.

wafflesnfalafel > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:35

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eww.... hmmm...  

Chariotoflove > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:36

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Don’t  know how many those are, but I hope it’s enough to keep the car around.  I don’t want one, but I prefer a world where small driver’s cars exist.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > PS9 01/14/2020 at 17:39

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Thats what I always thought, but what I said earlier was the original argument from Toyota as to why we didnt get a more powerful engine.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:40

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Just drop the WRX’s motor in the current car...

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > winterlegacy, here 'till the end 01/14/2020 at 17:45

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What, this? I at least see only a 25% increase in fake vents, which we have to count as a win at this point.

Saracen > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 17:49

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Good to see that it will get the bump to midrange punch that it desperately needs.

PS9 > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 01/14/2020 at 17:49

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They also said there were not enough resources for them to develop the supra on their own... and the n a subsidiary of a rival made a whole bespoke mid engine platform that will share almost nothing with anything else they make and charged supra level money for it.

‘It can't be done' is something we hear from them a lot. I'm not gonna buy it the next time they whip it out. 

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > PS9 01/14/2020 at 17:54

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Best part is brand new, unsold C7 GS now cost $50-$60 k

What a time to be alive....

i86hotdogs > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 18:00

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What if all manufacturers said “screw it” and installed LS engines in their cars from factory?

Maxima Speed > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 18:05

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I sure  hope so, but only because it will cause current gen BRZ prices to drop.

HammerheadFistpunch > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 18:07

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Sure sure.  I believe exactly none of this report.  Toyota Underpinnings?  What RWD chassis does toyota have to call on here? TNGA b/c?  Those are FWD.  I guess you could argue that since the prius has an AWD option that there is room, but the eawd in that car is TINY and there is no driveshaft.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 18:11

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Yup... it will get the 2.4L FA... but just watch how it will come out with no turbo and only make 215HP... With an extra 5hp in STI trim. 

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!

404 - User No Longer Available > Chariotoflove 01/14/2020 at 18:21

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Feels more like a sending off finale edition... that thing is like 8 years old with no major mechanical changes. I’m not even sure if it got a refresh either.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 01/14/2020 at 18:27

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It doesn’t just drop in. For starters it is too tall for the engine bay - at the very least the top-mount intercooler would need to be relocated and even then the turbo - which is on the underside of the FA20DIT - might still sit too close to the ground. Also they use different transmissions. The Toyobaru twins use a Toyota transmission with a different bellhousing bolt pattern than the WRX. What is amazing to me is that they designed the thing in such a way that the turbo motor couldn’t easily be dropped in down the road.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 18:27

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Still too little, too late. Yawn.

Chariotoflove > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/14/2020 at 18:43

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Could be.

Dusty Ventures > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 19:02

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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I hope that’s an optional motor, not the base motor.

DSM_OR_DIE::Drives_A_Miata > Chariotoflove 01/14/2020 at 19:51

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I could have forgiven the lack of a liftback if they had ever given us a turbo option, but I gave  up and bought an ND Miata instead. The 86 is definitely off my radar now.

Chariotoflove > DSM_OR_DIE::Drives_A_Miata 01/14/2020 at 19:53

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I’d prefer an ND as well.

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 01/14/2020 at 20:28

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It’s not a modern car design until the entire front of the car is:

A. a featureless slab
B. entirely made of grilles and/or vents, 80% of which is covered and therefore nonfunctional

Discerning > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 21:06

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I would 100% buy one if it had that much power. I’m 100% serious and I would love to see them do it.

That said - I refuse to get my hopes up.

Do the right thing, Subaru. Make me a first time Subaru owner. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 01/14/2020 at 21:27

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given the project was started in 2008, like the crz part of me wonders how much weight was thown at these projects in the days of $ 4-5 gas only to read the long term gas prices totally wrong

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > DSM_OR_DIE::Drives_A_Miata 01/14/2020 at 22:09

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I want an ND, but... kids. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > HammerheadFistpunch 01/14/2020 at 22:11

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Yeah, highly suspect.